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I Love Victor Davis Hanson–Bush Did It

March 20, 2009

With tongue placed firmly in cheek, VDH writes a column as if all the things said and done recently by Dear Leader and his regime were written under the continuing  BSD (Bush Derangement Syndrome) of the MSM and the LEFT’s watchdogs.

The point being…how are they covering HRO? Did they forget their jobs? Need I answer?

Bush Did It
What a difference an election makes.

By Victor Davis Hanson

President Bush was ridiculed today by critics of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility when he suggested that his administration no longer was incarcerating “unlawful combatants,” but was instead in the process of renaming them as mere “detainees.” The president also promised to close Guantanamo “within the year,” and added that he had assigned a “special task force” to look into the matter.

“Orwellian,” the New York Times fumed in an editorial entitled “Just Close It!”: “If the President’s Ministry of Truth thinks that his metamorphosing words change reality, then it is going to be a long four years. This latest Doublespeak comes on top of the President’s ignoring his past assertions that ‘signing statements are unacceptable’ and continuing the policy unchanged from the Clinton administration.” TheLos Angeles Times joined in, adding, “Remember that Bush promise about posting pending legislation on his administration’s website before signing it into law? Well, somehow several days’ notice has evaporated into 24 hours, and now zilch.”

Bush likewise ignored criticism that on the Patriot Act, FISA, and extraordinary rendition his current public positions were at odds with those that he ran on during the campaign. The Washington Post noted, “Here we go again with Karl Rove’s daily machinations — it is the same old flip-flopping we saw last summer before the election, when an opportunistic Bush reversed himself on NAFTA, public campaign financing, Iraq, the surge, Iran, offshore oil, nuclear power, coal plants, capital punishment, gun control, and abortion. One would think the dignity of the office might nudge Mr. Bush away from his perpetual campaign trimming. But then we have a President who seems glued to his Teleprompter and the scripted message feeding in from the right-wing attack machine.”

The Bush administration was further embarrassed when it boasted that the fundamentals of the economy were “sound” — although in its prior requests for bailout funds just a few weeks ago, it had ridiculed skeptics who countered that the economy’s fundamentals were, in fact, “strong.” Meanwhile, columnist Frank Rich complained that “In times of economic crisis here we go again with greedy and failed AIG execs — buddies of Bush’s clueless Wall Street–retread treasury secretary — using federal money to pay themselves bonuses for their rampant failure. But what do you expect from revolving-door administration officials in bed with the very corporations they used to work for? Get used to more $100-a-pound beef at the ‘let them eat cake’ White House parties, lorded over by this AIG surrogate who took more than $100,000 in their money for who knows what? Maybe Speaker Hastert can let those GM execs on federal welfare piggy-back on his private jet next time they come to Washington to beg for more of our money. These people have no shame.”

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I will be…

February 26, 2009

Over the next few days I will be out and about; thankfully going to a job interview today and, then tomorrow, traveling to my father’s in Kingsland in the Texas Hill Country on Lake LBJ to celebrate his 85th birthday on Saturday.

I will be touching base for eMail and comments. There’s little doubt that I may make at least one post over the weekend with all the HRO news going on with the OmniBS (new heights in Porkculus Earmarks)  Bill and the Budget (read as Permanent & Continuing Expansion of Government); not to mention the incoming Czars that will side-step the Separations of Powers, the Cap and Trade Emissions plan to kill the U.S. industrial and energy production capability, the Unfair Union Intimidation (Card Check) Law,  the reinstatement of the Bush Assault Weapons Ban, and other social engineering issues as The ONE continues to fundamentally change the United States!

So check back and in the meantime, please check out the past Posts and my Novel’s Excerpt and let me know if you’d like more to read or a look at my Fantasy work.

Thanks and see you next week if not sooner.

The LEFT’s Side of the Coin on Patriotism

February 21, 2009

There is always another side to the coin and that includes the LEFT–here’s one of there takes on how our “right-winged writers” are being “outrageous, scandalous and unpatriotic” regarding HRO and Congress’ valiant and brave effort to right what’s wrong with the United States. Marks Steyn rightly takes humbrage of the challenge to his patriotism at NRO Corner. 

Published in the Reporter

It is outrageous, scandalous and unpatriotic, what is being written about President Obama and a Congress that is attempting to clean up the mess left in Washington by yet another mediocre Republican, who destroyed America at home and her good name and reputation in the world.
The cases in point are two letters to the editor (“Stop the stimulus package” and “Pork and ideology: Don’t count on stimulus,” both published Feb. 13) attacking directly and indirectly the Obama administration’s strategies and Congress’ will. They do so by quoting two writers and political commentators, Amity Shales [sic–he can’t even check spelling of someone he attacks] and Mark Steyn, whose patriotic loyalty and political opinion is questionable.

 Shales still claims that the New Deal was a scheme and that President Roosevelt and the New Deal did nothing to end the Great Depression. She is probably still longing for the return of Republican Herbert Hoover, who declined to pursue legislative relief, believing that it would make people dependent on the federal government. Only toward the end of his term did he support a series of legislative solutions to the Great Depression — too little too late. On Hurricane Katrina, Shales wrote, “The fact that the country and President Bush personally were already mobilized for disaster has saved lives”; she was fired from the Financial Times for her outrageous and questionable remarks.

 As for Mark Steyn, Salon.com published an article calling Steyn a “faux warrior” who is “one of the most extremist warmongers in our country,” adding that Steyn has been “as fundamentally wrong as one can be about virtually every issue he has touched.”He appears on radio shows, such as those of right-wingers Rush Limbaugh and Hugh Hewitt. Limbaugh has publicly stated that he wants President Obama to fail. You can’t get more unpatriotic and right wing than that.

 It is apparent that the two letter writers anchor their knowledge on right-wing writings and thoughts that are fundamentally wrong; therefore, their assumptions and ideology are by inference wrong as well.

 Ed Eusebio

 Fairfield

[all emphasis is Mine]

Things That Have Gotten Better (and Worse) Since Obama Became President

February 21, 2009

Gina Cobb (she herself blogging at GINA COBB) and posting at RWN (RightWingNews) has summed the first month of RHO’s accomplishments very tidily.

Things That Have Gotten WORSE Since Obama Became President

A lot has changed in the month since Obama became president. Let’s review, shall we?

1. The U.S. stock market has plumetted to a six-year low. But, hey, it’s only your retirement money, right?

2. Nationalization of banks has become a serious possibility. America, the new banana republic.

3. Obama has backed three MASSIVE new spending initiatives (the $787 billion stimulus bill, the trillion-dollar financial stability initiative and the $275 billion mortgage assistance program). A trillion here, a trillion there — but who’s counting?

4. Hundreds of thousands of classic children’s books (children’s books printed before the early 1980s) are being destroyed all across the country because they may contain miniscule traces of lead in their print

5. Obama has lost a key air base providing the only supply line into Afghanistan, jeopardizing any future military action the U.S. may need to take in the region

6. Russia has become emboldened and increasingly aggressive

7. Iran has also become more emboldened and aggressive, has launched its first home-built earth satellite, and now has enough material to make a nuclear weapon

8. Pakistan has freed the notorious A.Q. Khan, who sold nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran, and has capitulated to the brutal Taliban in the Swat region

9. Obama has announced that he will close Guantanamo within a year — even though his administration has no clear answer to the question of what to do with the most dangerous GITMO terrorists, including 9/11 matermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

10. Obama has dropped charges against the U.S.S. Cole bombing suspect allegedly responsible for the deaths of American sailors. It’s been a good month for terrorists.

Now, here is a list of the things that have gotten better since Obama became president:

Things That Have Gotten BETTER Since Obama Became President

1. America has had its first African American president. (Technically, this doesn’t count, though, since it didn’t happen after Obama became president).

2. . . . . 

Surely there’s something.

2.. . . . . . 

Help me out here.

Anyone?

2. . . . .

I guess that’s it, then.

I can’t wait to see Obama’s second month in office.

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Gina Cobb blogs at her eponymous website, GINA COBB., where this is cross-posted.

What Can You Say?

February 14, 2009

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Oh Yeah,  and Happy Valentine’s Day!

Just a Little Something to Raise your BP this Morning

February 13, 2009

The Bill was Posted for review last night around 11PM EST–giving only about 10 hours for Senators & Congress to read before voting. Here’s a couple of items to help you understand that we need to BOHICA!

Congressional Offices Don’t Have the Stimulus Bill, Lobbyists Do

HURRY, FELLAS, LET’S VOTE, I AM OFF TO ROME!

Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues ‘Will Have the Chance’ to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote

SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

If you want to get a feel how the folks to the left supporting this bill regurgitate the line from the ONE, go back to yesterday’s post and read the comments from James. He tried to convert me, but it’s all 1936 Keynesian Economics BS.

BTW, why are we using 1936 Economics that didn’t work for FDR (by his own Sec’y of the Treasury’s admission in his diary) in 2009 ?

I will add more throughout the day to ensure that we keep that Blood Pressure up–just think of the endorphins that are being released.

Have a great Day!

UPDATE:   Well we knew it would happen, but I have one question: How can it be legal to require the House Representatives to vote on 1000+ Page bill that was released in the middle of the night before the vote–giving virtually No One a chance to read and discuss the bill????

  House passes Obama’s economic stimulus bill

UPDATE II:  Guess what, they just posted the bill for “Public Review”, they also have a place for Comments. Add yours and see if it gets posted.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

 

UPDATE III:  A friend points out that the links to the Bill DO NOT WORK! I’ve tried numerous engines, but no go. I guess we’re not going to see it until after the Senate Votes! Any bets?

Tell me what IT (the Spendulus Bill) does for the People

February 12, 2009

You’ve probably gathered (by now), I’m not a Econo-geek, Policy Wonk or Demon-Crat, so I’m at a loss as to what I am to expect from the 2009 Stimulus Bill that is being prepared to Pass both the Senate and the House voting today or tomorrow, so that The One, HRO (His Royal Obamaness), the Savior can sign the Bill on President’s Day, Monday.

What I am is a techno-mechanic sales guy; someone that came to an interest in politics very late and having to work through and read a lot of nonsense and BS to try to make up for my lackadaisical attitude toward what impacted my life the first 46 years.

I had my Republican Epiphany in ’78 (during TWO’s–the Worthless One’s=Carter–regime) while in the Navy serving on a submarine out of Norfolk (which at the time was in VA, whose slogan then was “Welcome to VEPCO (the utility co back then), formerly know as Virginia). It was then that during a cruise ( I was on a fast attack boat so we went out for undetermined amounts of time, “boomers”–the ballistic missle subs– had the luxury of 100 day rotations) that I was bored enough (and after I had finished my qualifications) to look hard at my paycheck and realized that the amount of taxes I paid during the year actually paid my own salary for 4 months since I was employed by the government–so I was working for free for 4 months!  That realization was enough for me to change from being an Independent to a Republican. At that moment in time I had only voted once, for the the guy I thought was the best choice and because (primarily) the Doobie Brothers backed him–yep, I hoisted myself on my own petard–Carter. I also considered myself a liberal kind of guy becasue I grew up and came of age in the 60s and early 70s; but with age comes contemplation and I realize now I was always a conservative, even back with long hair and rock-n-roll, disgusted with all things political and the “man”. I never blamed the soldiers (I had a number of friends that served, and 3 that never made it home) in ‘Nam for anything, in fact, the only protest I participated in was the day of the Kent State “Masacre”–we walked out of class as the news spread and prayed at the flagpole for “our” fallen. Not silly, even now (of course, you couldn’t pray on school grounds now), that we did that, but other than that I took part in nothing else regarding that turmoil and tumultuos times.

But I’ve digressed, I am no longer a neophyte to the crap that all politicians–Repubs, RINOs, Demo & Demon-crats, even Indpendents or whatever else– say and do to get in and keep office. 9/11 changed me further–it made me pay attention, and after those terrible days, I kept paying attention. So now, I am not an innocent to what things they put forth will or won’t affect my life and livelihood. I have learned, especially since 9/11, what these assholes in Congress, the Senate and the Presidency, as well as the Cabinet, Justice, State and Judicial branch “employees” all want to do–stay alive in politics!

They don’t care how they get or keep their position; they don’t care about me or you; they only care for the power that “we” give them; but then, they want to keep and hold that power until they die, and in some cases treat as a legacy to pass on to their progeny, surrogates and wards. So in my infinite political wisdom (sarc) I’ve garnered in the last seven years, I realized all the above, but as well, that no one but myself is ever going to do anything for this 54 (almost) year old, white, Baptist, middle-class background and current (until I became unemployed) “social”standing, “Conservi-can” male. Actually, I determined that in ’78, but in the last seven years I’ve had to rely on others to keep me save from those that would destroy us. Now, today, I have to worry about those within my government that would destroy us from the inside with their “Spendulus Bill”.

I spent the early morning hours today reading various articles that explain what’s happening and going to happen with this Bill much better than I can. I’m going to list these 4 most direct and informative of those I’ve read in the last week for you to read as trying to post effective parts or paragraphs would taken even more room than I’ve taken already. So, I leave it up to you to read and digest for yourselves what is being done to us by these political animals who know better than experts or those unwashed masses (us) what is good for the country. From everything I read (with my logical approach to understanding being the techno-mechanical guy–see above), this payoff/spendulus/pork-ridden/government expansion Bill, will do nothing for anyone except themselves (those that are passing this thing) and construction (light or heavy), union and munifedgov (municipal & federal government employees) folks. There is nothing in this bill to stimulate what the majority of us out in the real world do for a living–private sector/consumer jobs. There is nothing to drive the technology or give us any way to drive the consumer spending in this bill, other than $13 a week more in our paychecks! Man, now that’s a “tax-cut”! They were afraid we’d pay bills or save the $400 or $800 (single or married) if they sent a check–so they’re going to just ctu the taxes a few dollars. Great! Yahooo! Yippee! The rest of the bill is nothing more than Demon-crat spending to those who brung them to the dance! So, what does it do for the rest of us? Nothing! They even cut the things for those of us that are unemployed–help with COBRA health payments and extension or increase in benefits.

It is too late to hope that the Tri-RINOs (Specter, Snow & Collins) have enough heart and soul to VOTE NO, we know they won’t. We can only watch and wait to see exactly what will happen as the Bill is paid out–we can’t even see where the money’s really going go until the thing is signed!

Let me know if any of the few of you that’ll read this can explain it better than the four I’m suggesting that you read or if you can explain how this is going to benefit me, mine and you in the near future, or the far future, for that matter.

Thanks, I’ll look forward to your input; here’s the list:

John Shadegg : Rationing Healthcare Creates Jobs?

Daniel Henninger: Exactly How Does Stimulus Work?

KARL ROVE
Obama’s Legislative Victory Comes at High Cost

STEVEN F. HAYWARD
Obama Misreads His Mandate

Do You REALLY Know what this Bill means?

February 10, 2009

Holy Crap!  I don’t even know where to start this!

Let me try this, The Democrats are doing what we’ve fought against forever–they’re getting their Socialized Health Care through the Back Door of the Stimulus Bill.

Buried deep in the hard-to-read Bill, of course intentially, is the Nationalization – and rationing – of health care is in the stimulus bill!Betsy McCaughy of Bloomberg has brought the alert out yesterday.

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

So, folks, if you’re a “boomer” or older, you’re going die a whole sooner than you were just weeks ago. GOT IT?! If you have health issues, diabetes, high blood pressure, degenerative bone or muscle disease, you smoke, eat meat, drink too much, you are going to be shit-out-of-luck, sorry no sugar coating, cutesie-wutesie spelling–plain and simple–We Are Screwed!

They are taking this one step further than even the Canadian Health Care System or Euro-Social Health Care, etc.–they are grading your life automatically via electronic records that the “state” will look at, as this Program does.  They are going to electronically input your health data, then electronically sort the data and give you a Health Grade, this in turn will determine where you will be in line for your needs or issues. If your Grade is low, then you wait, if it’s high (you’re 30, run 5 miles a day, don’t smoke, a vegan and  only drink recycled pee-water in a refillable bio-degradable bottle), then you go to the front of the line.

Now, we won’t have the opportunity the rest of the world that have similar free or socialized medicine/health care have today, which is to come to the U.S. to get the Health care when they can’t get it at home. They won’t come here anymore AND we won’t have anywhere to go.

The Democratic Cowards know that this would not pass stand alone as a Program Bill so they stuck in the Stimulus Bill hoping no one would notice.

I sent out Ten eMails to Senators (including Snowe & Collins, the RINOS that are helping to pass this bill along with Specter) last night about this, you should do the same to your Senators, your Congress reps and everyone that will listen. Here is the Senate member Link:  Senate Home,  just either select your state or the Senator’s name you want to contact.  Do it NOW!

Even FoxNews is talking about it now & Drudge had it this morning (it wasn’t there last evening).

Read the Bloomberg article and stop this Bill–it is not in our best or healthy interest–it certainly isn’t stimulus!

UPDATE:Arlen Specter (Rino, PA) was just on FNC with Megan Kelley and clarilied–yes, clari-LIED, his way through the segment and said he’d not take back his commitment to vote for the Bill! He tried to say that he wouldn’t let it “broaden” any further, but that means he’s okay with how it reads now!  He’s a Lying-Sack-of-Shit RINO bastard. Contact your Senators, including Snowe & Collins–I said in my eMail last night that Specer was worthless, and he’s just confirmed it if you didn’t know it before. As Worf would say, ‘He’s a waste of Skin.’

UPDATE 2:FoxNews followed up (fair & balanced, ya’know) with  Sen. John Tester(Demon-crat, MT) used words like: “If” , “I’m not sure”, & “I think”–finally, “If it’s in there, we’ll get it out, but it should take us to 21st century health care.” AND, “It’s putting people back to work.” Holy Crap (again)! Geez, folks they’re voting for this in an hour & a half at 11AM CST!   BTW, I just took my BP which is usually considered normal/good at around 120/80–it was 142/90–guess I’m doomed under this bill!

FINAL UPDATE:Well, it passed with  the same vote count it passed Cloture yesterday, 61-37. The RINOS did it, they sold our souls down the river.  So, now it passes to the conferences to redraft the bill with the House, which means it will be bigger and those things taken out by the RINO negotiations will go back in. $838Billion will probably go back and over $900B.

Welcome to Socialism, folks, I hope those that wanted it enjoy it and those of us that didn’t know that we must stand up and fight anyway we can to stop what has been passed. Do not agree to allowing your life to be controlled by the  “State”.

Stimulus Deal? So, where’s MY job?

February 8, 2009

Those that know me well, and maybe some of those other few that stop in here to read, know that I was laid off the last week of December; primarily due to the economic crisis, and specifically, the absolute dying of consumer and DOD electronics orders.

I’m a technical sales guy. I have sold everything from ion-implanters (used in the process of semiconductor chips manufacturing) to Heating and Air Conditioning; from CAD equipment to printed circuit boards, and then driller/routers in the printed circuit board manufacturing industry to dry ice blasters for non-destructive industrial cleaning. So, if you notice, they’re all driven by consumer needs or requirements.

Now, from one minute to the next I cannot tell you what’s in or what’s out of the Stimulus Bill that the Senate RINOs (Snow/Collins/Spectre, oops, Specter) caved into Reid for a piece of the pie and seems to be poised to pass on Tuesday. There is a tiny tax cut for businesses that hopefully will encourage expansion and hiring. There is going to be “tax cuts” in the form of money/checks to “taxpayers”, and maybe that will drive a revitalization of consumer wants & desires.

The majority of the bill is spending on Democrat-favored pork, they’re earmarks (even though the Democrats refuse to call it that) programs and social engineering.

Oh sure, there are the shovel-ready projects like water slides, frisbee golf courses, dog parks that might produce jobs (what, those three need around 20 folks–ooh, wow, sign me up). Then there are the infrastructure rebuilding and planning that should produce jobs, but those will be subcontracted out to companies that specialize in that type of work who already have employees. Maybe not enough, so perhaps that will create a 10-20% increase in employment at dirt cheap wages, unless you’re a heavy machinery operator (perhaps I should be going to one of those tranining schools; although, if I can drive a submarine–which I’ve done–then how hard can a bulldozer be?).

All the other spending is programs that will NOT create jobs–STD Prevention & Education programs (I hear it’s in, then it’s out; but I’m with Sean Hannity, you wouldn’t need this item at all if you QUIT having sex with strangers!); money to the National Endowment for the Arts (hey, I write, give me me some of that); BILLIONS are going to (are you ready) ACORN! (Well, I guess it does take money to rig elections and pay voters to vote 10-30 times.) There’s hundreds of millions to billions of dollars for research and investigation of non-existent Anthropogenic (man-made) Global Warming or Climate Change, as the Goracle is trying to re-brand it as more and more actual planetary/geologic/environmental scientist are coming out exposing the hoax. More Millions will be sent to left-winged National Public(?) Radio; and  hundreds of  billions and billions to things we don’t even know about.  Billions to do away with oil production and invest in pie-in-the-sky environmentally-friendly energy that will do nothing, again in the short term, but raise our energy costs. But, tell me how many jobs are going to be created with this specific spending?

The spending is supposed to and is directed to stimulate the economy in the short term. The shovel-ready and infrastructure projects won’t even start this year for the most part, and in most cases not before 2010! The social projects/programs will create little if no private sector jobs, if a few are created they will be governement jobs–growing the government again–and how do you get those jobs?

And I have a problem with the Republican plans as well–they’re harping on fixing the Housing and Automobile debacles! ‘They’re what started this mess.’ They want to bail out the folks under the threat of  foreclosure (now, I can sympathise with them, but my understanding was that was part of the November TARP bailout); and give tax credits to folks that buy homes and cars? I’m out of work, trying to manage living expenses and stay in my rental home on the paltry sum of $1512 a month from unemployment insurance. The last thing I am planning on doing in the near foreseeable future is buy a house or new car! And the one thing in the bill I thought I could use was helping pay COBRA health insurance and the damn Republicans cut that out! Geez!

I’d prefer to make a living writing. I mean, I have four complete novels finished (about a total of 1300 pages ready for print), a fantasy trilogy and a espionage/terrorist novel, but I can’t find an agent or a publisher. I’m a neophyte and trying to weed through the minutia and break into the clique to get published is nearly impossible without help from someone inside. I have another eleven novels to write in the fantasy series, four more with my new recurring intelligence character and then one or two others. These are all working in my head, but I have no way to get them out while trying to find a job consuming my life right now, but if I was published, then I could; wait, that’s the Catch-22, isn’t it. Oh well.

So, my question is this, of the 825 Billion to 1 Trillion (after it goes back through Congress and Pelosi adds back in what the Senate stripped out) spending and tax cuts where is my job? Although, I’m not abject to physical labor, those construction jobs will go to others before I get in line as there really won’t be that many jobs created and they’ll be going to base line pay grades. I’m a technical guy, I carried a electronics’ field engineering toolkit before I moved into sales some 20+ years ago, so my technical troubleshooting expertise is far out of state-of-the-art.

I know I will find a job, I always do, but with this economic malaise/crisis/atmosphere it will probably be a while. My point in being so honest and forthcoming here in this post is to articulate what most of us that are unemployed are feeling right now. The Stimulus does NOTHING to create enough jobs to make a difference, nor does it Stimulate the economy to create the jobs needed. It rewards those that the Democrats favor and got Obama elected, it rewards those that already screwed up or failed their customers in business, and rewards those that want the government to take over their lives and ensure that they continue their free ride on the government dole.

I stated this in my last post, Obama has failed and is ignoring or denying it–this is not a win for America and the people know it. The President is, in fact, ignoring the Polls that show there is less than 40% in favor of the bill, but Onama/Pelosi/Reid always state that the Majority of Americans are in favor–I guess they can’t read. Hey, that would explain why they don’t pay their taxes; that and they know where that money goes–so why pay them if it’s just getting flushed along with the other crap that they put out.